Tag: discourse for ts

all-the-ships-are-sailing:

brehaaorgana:

all-the-ships-are-sailing:

brehaaorgana:

all-the-ships-are-sailing:

enoughtohold:

it’s on my dash again so i just wanna emphasize that if you advocate for no-children-allowed apartments or rent hikes for people with kids you don’t get to claim to support housing justice

Okay, so, I want to explain a thing here.

CHILDREN ANNOY THE FUCKING SHIT OUT OF ME and if there was an apartment I could rent in a place that would guarantee the little snot-feces balls wouldn’t be in my fucking space if I tried to use common areas, I would rent the hell out of that shit.

Yes, an apartment with 2 bedrooms, should cost more than a 1 bedroom or studio. And no, you shouldn’t be allowed to have a child (over the age 2) living in the same bedroom as an adult, period. And no, more than 2 children (over the age of 5) should never share a single bedroom, period.

What I do however believe should happen, is that someone working 40 hours per week at minimum wage should be able to comfortably afford a 1 bedroom apartment. BUT I also believe there should be a strict limit on the number of children anyone is allowed to have (based on a variety of factors; income psychological and physical health; genetic risk; parenting skills; etc.). I also believe you should be REQUIRED to attend parenting classes (with required paper and practical exams that must be passed) during pregnancy and prior to foster/adoption placements. If you can’t afford to have a child, don’t fucking have a child. It’s that fucking simple.

If a parent commits any form of child abuse (physical, sexual, emotional, intellectual, medical, etc.), they should be involuntarily sterilized and permanently have any and all parental rights other than supervised visitation removed for their lifetime. This beyond mandatory counseling and evaluation to determine root causes and correct them.

In addition, if a fucking landlord can change me a deposit and additional rent for having a PET, they sure as fuck should be allowed to do the same for a CHILD. Children are destructive monsters that are noise and mess factories. They are far more likely to cause problems in a closing living environment than a fucking cat.

In case anyone is not sure: the above argument is a blatant promotion of eugenics. It’s not cloaked, it’s not subtle, and it’s laid out right there.

Guess who’s 0% shocked that you’re religious. Have fun with your imaginary friend and all the fake rules you holy book makes you follow. Have fun picking and choosing which ones you do follow and which ones you don’t. Have fun failing to actually read what is put before you before responding in anger.

Do you mean to tell me, that you think a person who is incapable for raising a child for any reason, should be allowed to raise said child? Do you think a child should be used as a test subject to see if someone who once abused another child is “cured”? Do you not think that people with 10 children on welfare should maybe, not have more children until they can properly provide for the ones they have? Do you think it’s okay to indoctrinate young minds so that they never have a chance to gain true and real knowledge of the universe? (Wait, I know the answer to the that last one.)

Sweetheart, I am agnostic and certainly don’t believe in an imaginary God in the sky. Your whole rant is so Christian-oriented — spoiler alert: lots of Jewish people are atheists and scientists. And before you continue to have a meltdown, I wasn’t even raised to believe in any particular religion, and I don’t believe in heaven or hell so I don’t see how this precludes me from the pursuit of truth and knowledge.

It’s almost like you have zero clue what you’re talking about when you’re trying to imply I am going to indoctrinate children simply for being Jewish. (Spoiler: any children I have will be Jewish simply because they will be BORN that way because I will be their Jewish parent. They could be die hard atheists and still be Jewish.)

Anyways I’m not reacting out of anger or misunderstanding I am pointing out you have openly advocated for eugenics here. Which you did.

I took religion out of your blog description with your link to your “religious blog” or whatever the hell it says. I notice you did not respond to a single question posed other than to tell me that your an agnostic jew, which is great. I understand the concept, I promise.

Do you seriously not believe there are people in the world who should not be allowed to have children? We are overpopulating our quickly dying planet. If we want to live longer we must have fewer children. It is really a simple population math fact.

“Do you seriously not believe there are people in the world who should not be allowed to have children?”

No but I’d make an exception for your Mom.

benperor-ren:

marysuewhipple:

marysuewhipple:

I’m perfectly capable of enjoying the idea of “person A, a hero, ‘saves’ person b, a villain, with the power of love” in a fictional context, and all the different ways it can play out, while also recognizing that it’s a bad idea to try to save someone from themselves if they’re dangerous in real life. I’m an adult and I understand the difference. My enjoyment if hero/villain ships in fiction does not inform my real life relationship choices. On the contrary, they allow a safe outlet me to explore and live out these ideas without suffering negative consequences in my real life.

This continued insistence by self-described feminists that I actually don’t know the difference, and am potentially endangering myself by consuming fiction featuring that trope, is not helpful. It’s not progressive or radical. It’s not liberating or empowering. It’s not “smashing the patriarchy.”

On the contrary, it’s nothing but a rehash of old misogynistic stand-bys: that women can’t be trusted to understand their own thoughts and emotions, that they have to be told what they feel and think and why, that women are blinded by innate naivety and compassion, or by sexual desire, that women need a guiding hand to protect them from their own bad judgment.

The fact that it’s women applying this to other women this time around. does not magically make it okay, does not make it less condescending, less patronizing, less violating. Women have been enforcing misogynistic social norms for other women for ages; this is nothing new. It’s no different than when my female Sunday school teachers told me that my body is inherently a temptation to sin, and I must take counter-measures to prevent others from falling from grace by covering it at the expense of my own comfort. It’s no different than when they told me that women who aren’t virgins are equivalent to chewed up gum or licked cupcakes. Sexism doesn’t stop being sexism because it’s enforced laterally.

It’s funny that these people keep implying that women who enjoy this fictional trope have a savior complex. From where I’m sitting, we aren’t the ones trying to save people who don’t need or want to be saved.

Honestly I think we need a name for this kind of condescending “it’s for their own good” themarysue-style fauxminism and I’m formally submitting “helicopter feminism” as that name.

Helicopter feminism lmao

enoughtohold:

something i’ve been thinking about is how the older, more mature, and better adjusted a person is, the less likely they are to be on tumblr, especially the parts of tumblr that revolve around subcultural drama and “discourse.” obviously, there are exceptions to this. but the general trend stands. this applies to many offline scenes as well.

i don’t mean to attack these communities; i’m speaking from experience and in particular, i want to stress that a community in which most people are struggling or in crisis at any given time is not automatically a “bad” community, nor are its members at fault. it makes sense that many people would leave such a community once it is no longer filling a need for them.

this is just something to take into account. look around your scenes at times and notice whether the people you might need most as mentors or role models are being selected out. whether there are people around you who can give you a sense of perspective and a view of how someone like you might be happy and ok in the future. it may not be possible to change this, but at least you can be mindful of the ways in which your community may be showing you a limited range of experience, even when it can feel like the world.

I think this is definitely true for people who engage in discourse, it’s almost like interacting with the people who read and write comments sections of news articles. That type of environment attracts people who like picking fights and arguing.
Not sure if this is true of tumblr at large. I think the reason why people are on tumblr has more to do with if they are in a socially isolating environment IRL instead of maturity. Thus, there’s a lot of socially anxious people and autistic people who don’t fit into RL social spaces easily, there’s a lot of people who are cut off from their RL environments due to, say, being in a conservative family or a small town and not being cishet, and there’s a lot of people who are in a stage of transition where they just aren’t socializing as much offline. I’ve noticed I use the site less when I’m in a more social environment compared to when I have, say, just moved to a new place or about to move to a new place. There’s a job I’m applying to in the middle of nowhere in Arizona and I think if I take that I will probably be on here a lot when I’m not camping out in the desert just because I don’t think I would fit in well with the RL environment there. I think if I got a job at another university or a large city instead, I would be on here less once I had found another peer group in addition to my online one.

enoughtohold:

like i’m sorry but getting offended by someone just speaking against homophobia is homophobic. i really don’t care what weird insular very online politics led you to believe that it must be some kind of evil coded message and not a legitimate complaint. the fact that you LET those politics ECLIPSE the reality of homophobia in your mind, such that you couldn’t imagine a legitimate target for anti-homophobic speech, is itself homophobic.

that desexualization of pride is one of the reasons why i support ace exclusionism

pervocracy:

Nah, fuck off.  Ace people aren’t responsible for this.

The responsibility lies with:

1. Corporations, massively.  The price for having Citibank as a sponsor of your pride parade is that things are going to happen according to Citibank’s Friendly Community Standards (whether this is an explicit demand or not).  They’re going to field a big group of marchers celebrating rainbows and the word “pride,” but no elements of sexuality or rebellion.  And they’re going to put pressure–implicit or explicit–on the other groups in the parade to not do anything too wild under Citibank’s auspices.

Or they’re just going to stuff the parade with their groups–maybe Citibank on its own can’t change the whole parade, but when you’ve got Citibank and US Bank and Staples and Target all fielding groups that make up 90% of the parade by mass, that sort of sets a tone.  And that tone is “some queer people on their Best Behavior because HR is watching, some random vaguely-liberal corporate employees who wanted to be in a parade, and the biggest and most expensive displays seem to be celebrating the meteorological phenomenon of rainbows.”

2. To a much smaller extent, well-meaning handwringing over inclusiveness, but in a way that’s mostly not perpetrated by or for ace people.  There’s a much more general problem in social justice circles where being more concerned and more aware is always better, and this can be best performed by criticizing everything to death.  Which has its role and I’m not advocating for being unconcerned and unaware, but… we’re lacking in processes for recognizing when excessive restraint is also problematic, even though it is.

The difference between “fine, be gay, but don’t shove it down my throat” and “PDA and nudity at Pride is problematic in the glorification of conventional body standards, exposure to minors, the historical association of homosexuality and predatory hypersexuality, erasure of the dangers of HIV/STIs and sexual assault, and alienation of people who are sex-repulsed or anxious about sex for various reasons” is–well, it’s a lot, but you sort of end up in the same place, don’t you?

Some of those reasons are actually very good, but sometimes good isn’t good enough.  They have to be good in a way that outweighs the harm done by desexualizing Pride, and I’m not convinced that they are.  Or at least I think people should put more thought into explicitly making compromises between competing needs, rather than always erring on the side of offending nobody by doing nothing.

(related: my frustration with Tumblr for picking queer media and creators to death while giving a free pass to much worse straight people, and maybe nothing that’s said is wrong per se, but… the overall effect is a discourse that’s mostly about how awful various queer things are, and if I wanted that I could get it from Mike Pence)

I’ve written more paragraphs on this, mostly because it’s complicated and I don’t want to totally dismiss the relevant concerns, but don’t forget it’s like 10% of the problem.  The Citibank Family Friendly Rainbow Fest is 90%.

Inclusionism/Exclusionism is largely not a thing in the community except on the internet. I volunteer at an LGBTQ+ community center and most people are simply unfamiliar with ace people and are like “oh okay” when I explain. It makes zero sense to me considering how small of a minority the ace community is that they’d have such an influence on Pride. I agree with the OP that the above mentioned factors are more prevalent. I’d include respectability politics (as in, ‘I’m LGBTQ+ but I hate x group of LGBTQ+ people at Pride becaues they take it too far") and also people who hate kink and think those who practice it should disappear from the public eye as other factors.

enoughtohold:

don’t @ me but these posts about how scary and gross gay men’s sexuality is and how kids will like instantly turn to stone if they catch a brief glimpse of a leather harness which they don’t even know what it is, are boring tbh. this squeamishness about gay culture is old and tired and boring. i’ll pass

ricafrede:

rush-keating:

rush-keating:

I don’t get how someone can be against anti-shipping and also against weird shit at Pride.

“Write as much weird fic as you want and I will support you but don’t be weird IRL or you’re disrespectful and should stop.”

And now I know of at least THREE people who hold this contradictory position.

Your explicit kinky Reylo fic is squicking someone else out just as much as you are squicked out by makeout sessions at Pride. Just letting y’all know that.

tbh i think they would probably say fic is mostly private, or at least only seen by people explicitly looking for it, and pride is public. that said, “too much pda at a public event!” reminds me of when i was young and i would get afraid that my parents were acting like fobs without realizing it because of internalized racism. it’s at least partly internalized homophobia that they just need to sort through. if they’re really having an issue where they’re being dragged into pda situations against their will then they need to have a conversation about consent, not pda

I think it depends on the medium the fic is on. Like for example tumblr’s recommendation algorithm keeps recommending me c137cest because I follow the Rick and Morty tag and it’s only because the folks who make it are kind enough to tag that I don’t see it unfiltered. If they didn’t tag then I would have to choose whether to unfollow the “rick and morty” tag altogether or deal with seeing it sometimes.

rush-keating:

I don’t get how someone can be against anti-shipping and also against weird shit at Pride.

“Write as much weird fic as you want and I will support you but don’t be weird IRL or you’re disrespectful and should stop.”

And now I know of at least THREE people who hold this contradictory position.

Your explicit kinky Reylo fic is squicking someone else out just as much as you are squicked out by makeout sessions at Pride. Just letting y’all know that.