solacekames:
rush-keating:
nerdfishgirl:
rush-keating:
As of right now, I own no guns.
Most of my friends own at least one (I live in Nevada, it happens)
I’ve had several conversations with my friends about this issue and the first response is always defensiveness and cliches (usually “from my cold dead hands” and “guns don’t kill people, people do”). But as the conversation continues, I find that they’re as dissatisfied by the current status quo as I am. They want background checks, and registries, and gun licenses, and exams for possession (not just for a CCW permit). Basically, everything they want is gun control, and can be found word for word on the website of Everytown. But they’ll swear up and down that they’re anti gun control. That, I think, is because they hear “gun control” and they immediately go to bans and confiscation. They’re not conservatives. They’ll say they’re liberal/independent but “conservative on gun control”. Because, again, when they think of “gun control” they think of bans and confiscation.
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I hope is okay if I reblog? Because I agree very much with all this. All of the posting I’ve seen on Facebook (from both sides bc I have friends spanning the political spectrum) is pure emotion with no actual discussion of what anyone wants.
And I think MANY gun owners (even conservative ones!) would be in favor of some gun controls – particularly background checks, exams for possession, and registries – especially for higher capacity magazine guns.
I mean – my dad is relatively conservative (he is from rural PA), and yeah – he owns a couple guns – mostly hunting rifles. I would say its kinda unusual for a dude from rural PA not to have a hunting rifle tbh. Unprompted the other day, he told me that he thought it would be a good idea to regulate guns more and to have people take a gun safety course before they could buy them. But – again, when he thinks of the “gun control” pushed by Democrats he thinks – they are gonna take all the guns away (which is also unrealistic – like how would you even do that?).
Anyway – I also work with quite a few working class dudes from rural PA who are almost certainly rural Republican voters. And I think even they would be in favor of at least gun safety courses, if not other gun control measures – particularly registries or limits on the sale of guns with high capacity magazines or rapid fire rates.
The big thing is that these policies need to be clearly defined – not just some sort of nebulous “gun control”.
Reblogging is fine as I don’t expect this post to blow up. I’m glad I’m seeing the same sort of dialogue happening in other places.
I do think you’re wrong. Well meaning, but wrong, because you’re framing this in terms of rational individuals on a substantially equal playing field who need to have rational conversations with each other. The role of the NRA and the gun lobby ensures that’s never going to happen! Sure, they’ve poisoned the word “gun control” but if we picked another more sympathetic phrase, they’d just poison that in the same way within a few years.
We have to destroy their chokehold institutional power, or at least weaken them substantially, before we can even START having that conversation. And any tactic is fair game for that strategy, be it logical or emotional.
Also, as someone who wants dirt-basic common-sense gun control I’m tired of being held to a ridiculously higher individual standard. And our groups are already held to stupidly high standards too. I went to a gun control event this morning from Moms Demand Action that was incredibly careful about being non-partisan, had speakers saying multiple times, “NO WE DON’T WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY,” even taking time to laud responsible gun ownership, because it’s Georgia and everyone has guns or knows somebody who has guns anyway and we’re realistic. Everyone was sooooo careful! But the right-wing press is going to completely ignore all that nuance anyway because of the institutional factors I mentioned above. I still believe in being honest for the sake of honesty but fuck tailoring our message to those assholes. They don’t care about honesty or logic, they only respect strength, numbers and money.
I think in terms of base mobilization that rolling over and giving in to NRA demands is a terrible strategy. The rallies are good for that reason. They’re very confrontational and they work by being confrontational. There’s nothing Republicans want more then for nice looking kids and Moms to stop talking about gun control and to stop pushing for gun control. If Everytown, Moms Demand Action etc. make reducing gun violence/mass shootings a 2018 issue that will be a victory on its own because it will mean more urban Dems will turn out. I’m not sure if it’s even possible to undermine the NRA’s power (at least without overturning Citizens United) but it is possible to match them in parity.
But persuasion is another political strategy that should compliment turnout. I don’t want to give too much away about my life but I know people who were organizers on the Clinton campaign in my area and they credit our county going for Clinton on that they went all in with a persuasion strategy. One issue we have going into 2018 in my state (again sorry for pointing to more local stuff, I know you live nowhere near me) is that GOP registered voters outnumber Dem registered voters. The reason why my state goes Dem every Presidential year regardless is there’s those “I’m above both parties and ~~independent~~” people and most of them cross the aisle into voting Democrat anyway if given a nudge in that direction. If I’m having one of those 15 minute long “deep canvassing” conversations with one of those voters, and the topic of gun control comes up, I want to be able to say “this is what the local Democratic Party wants in terms of gun control. It’s written here on our platform. If you’re a nonpartisan because you think we want to take your guns away, you should reconsider” and have that not be contested with what the local Democratic leadership said last week on TV. So I guess that’s more where my frustration is, just the lack of consistent messaging in my own community, which I’m venting about on my blog just to try to process it before I talk about it when we’re updating our platform at our Caucus later this month.
Also I apologize if I was making it out like everyone who is pro-gun control should stop being angry around gun owners. I was talking more about people who were doing political work, not like ordinary people. If a gun owner is acting like a callous asshole or putting his hobby above the lives of kids then it’s his problem if he gets reprimanded for that behavior in public and loses friends over the issue.