Tag: hitler mention

fierceawakening:

cornbreadcrumbs:

fierceawakening:

cornbreadcrumbs:

whitepeopletwitter:

It’s begun

*Shrugs* kind of? We still haven’t had anything like the crisis WWI was. Americans can’t comprehend what it would be like to have millions of their sons die in a pointless war that they lost. And then follow that with an unfathomable economic quagmire. We would need some kind of collective national trauma to plant the seeds of a widespread fascist community that bases it’s idea of national rebirth on racial purity.

What we have now is a realization that the personalities that made up the third riech can totally exist in America. Thankfully there is no national trauma for them to exploit, we have a 241 year history of a successful democratic republic, and the media/free speech apparatus makes it easier to coordinate resistance to these pigs.

Those are good points, but I think it depends on what you take this tweet to mean. I don’t take it to mean that the circumstances are the same. I take it to mean something more like:

Don’t forget that the Nazis didn’t wake up one day and convince everyone Jews (and gays and Roma and and and) dying was a good thing. They dehumanized the groups they hated in stages, and rounding them up was actually not the first stage.

So I take the tweet to mean “dont think to yourself ‘we’re taking our first baby steps into fascism.’ We may indeed not be there yet, but by the time we’ve gotten to ‘rounding up innocent kids for the supposed crimes of their parents, who the government openly calls an “infestation,” and having a favored news outlet that defends this as “summer camp,”’ we’re not on the edge of a metamorphosis, were straight up in the middle of one.”

Well, yes I’d agree with that. But the grounds for a holocaust existed in Europe (and America) for decades prior to the Nazis. What happened in Germany could’ve happened anywhere under the right conditions. If just having dehumanizing sentiments means that “we’re already several steps along the way” then, sure. But we’ve been “several steps along the way” for well over a hundred years now.

I agree that this is a wake-up call that “it can happen here,” but I don’t think we’re necessarily in danger of a government sponsored genocide. It is frightening to see how easy a group of radicals at the top, coupled with apathy from the conservative elites, can do something this monstrous. However…

I think the response and backlash to this has been very encouraging. I wholeheartedly believe in cultivating a strong moral base that will draw attention to and resist these kinds of actions. We should be ready, in case we do experience a national crisis, to defend human rights. I get the idea behind the tweet, but I would still say that we’re fortunately in a far better situation to fight back against this kind of dehumanizing state policy then Germany ever was.

That’s fair. I think we’re actually saying similar things from different perspectives and agree on a good bit.

My concern is more that… the way that i usually hear the history discussed, people don’t really realize that everyone wasn’t instantly taken in by Hitlers speeches. It’s often discussed as if everyone privileged enough not to be targeted was bewitched.

And… that’s not what I gather really happened. He did bewitch crowds, but they weren’t everybody. The Nazis did not win fair elections by landslides.

Which means it’s not the sort of thing where resistance just sort of melts somehow, it’s a process over time where resistance is made to disappear.

And while I don’t think we’re seeing that now, I think it’s very important not to assume “loud resistance exists” equals “they’d never go further.”

They absolutely will, so we need to understand how serious what we’re seeing is.

One way things are different now that I think the author of that tweet is alluding to compared to how things were before is that it wasn’t just dehumanization coming from the public at large but also from people in power. Like sure in the 2000’s there were racist White kids at my high school running around saying racist things against Latino kids but it wasn’t coming from Bush and his administration. Bush won the 2004 election because he was popular among conservative Latino voters.

nettlestonenell:

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forcearama:

whitmerule:

forcearama:

[Watching Raiders of the Lost Ark]

Son: Who are the bad guys in this movie?
Husband: The Nazis. [pause for a beat] Again. Except not in space this time. 
Me: Yes, Nazis, take note: whether you’re on land or in space, either way Harrison Ford is coming to foil your plans. 

usually by accident.

😄 Han Solo, Accidental Nazi-Foiler

@reblogginhood

I hate most war movies they all feel like propaganda and usually I watch them for the actors performance. I’m really annoyed and disappointed that taika chose this as his next movie. Also has Hollywood been on a nazi/wwii kick latley?? I feel like last year alone I watched at least 5 movies about wwii or the nazi regime?!? And a new trailer dropped this week for an Oscar issac movie revolving around the nazi regime?! And know taikas new film? What’s with the sudden spurt of nazi films Hollywood?

hazel2468:

vermiciousyid:

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thelovewitch2016dirannabiller-d:

its super disappointing, taika could’ve chosen anything as his follow up project to ragnarok after the way that movie was received he literally could’ve had anything greenlit and this is what he does? I’m sorry but I just can’t, like I can’t get past making hitler a funny sidekick let alone be played by a jewish man of color like what was the train of thought here? like I said it screams irresponsible filmmaking at least w “the death of stalin” even tho it was satire it was p fckn dark no one was redeemed or presented in a good light and all the atrocities they committed were as cruel on screen as they were irl, like I’m just at loss of words here

and I think all these nazi films its bec of all the neo nazis on the news like a “comeback” jesus.. u kno how oportunistic hollywood can be and they can market these movies like “Why X Movie Is Important In The Age Of Trump”

I mean, Jewish people have been making satire in regards to Hitler for a long time, and he has been working on this script for years. You don’t have to watch or enjoy the film, but the attitude of “this Jewish man could know better” is really condescending.

  1. WWII Films never went away, they’re a constant, irritating drone in the background for anyone paying attention.
  2. I love how non-Jewish people are telling Jews that they’re relating to the Holocaust and Second World War wrong.
  3. This group would be saying that The Producers was garbage, fuck ‘em.

Taika has outright stated that, as a Polynesian Jewish man, he is making this film as 1) satire and 2) purposfully as a big ol fuck you to Hitler, because what better way to insult him than by having him portrayed by a Polynesian Jew?

Like if goyim could stop freaking out over Jewish satire and portrayals of Hitler and how we handle our own history and START freaking out about the actual, real life fucking Nazis that we got running around right now, that would be nice.

Wait until anon hears about a little movie called The Great Dictator

workingclasshistory:

On this day, 22 May 1920, the anti-Semitic hoax document the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was printed by auto industry mogul Henry Ford in the Dearborn Independent, inaugurating a policy of anti-semitism in that paper. The paper was sold in all Ford outlets, and had a circulation of 700,000. For his efforts, Henry Ford was later presented with the Grand Cross Of the Supreme Order of the German Eagle by Adolf Hitler, the highest Nazi order which could be awarded to a non-German. More info about Ford and other big corporations helping the Nazis in this excellent article: https://ift.tt/20t0EmY https://ift.tt/2s33CFv

atomicheavybike:

meta-hemeralism:

snakegay:

tomibunny:

rottenlesbian:

rottenlesbian:

please stop reblogging sylvia plath poetry 

For ppl asking why she’s an anti black, anti Semite. She has used the n word and compared her depression to the holocaust

Even not counting her poetry her private journals are full of disgusting, overblown antisemitism. She didn’t just use Jewish people for her metaphors, she outright hated them irl and yet decided to use their suffering for her own gain

here’s a source with some quotes

okay, I’m Jewish and I appreciate this sentiment. and if someone wants to cut out Sylvia Plath, go for it, I get it.

But. by this logic we’d also need to stop reblogging TS Eliot, Oscar Wilde, and Shakespeare quotes. Virginia Woolf wrote anti-semetic things in her private journals, too. If you only want to read classic poets who liked Jews and black people, that’s fine, but like. good luck? Sylvia Plath isn’t an exception.

idk. Tumblr’s attitude of “consume nothing problematic” just doesn’t work if you’re part of a group that most culture-creators over the last few centuries have hated by default. For people actually in those groups, it’s not like the only two choices are 1) worship authors who hate you or 2) completely cut the majority of literature out of your life. You learn to read critically and acknowledge flaws where you find them.

anyway, as a Jewish woman, I would much rather see a version of this post that said “please read Sylvia Plath poetry critically because she’s anti black and antisemetic” than just “stop reblogging Sylvia Plath poetry.”

IMO, reblog Sylvia Plath all you want, just not unthinkingly.

As another Jewish person, can I just add that the question I find it useful to ask is, “How antisemitic were they FOR THEIR TIME?” That’s why, eg, Shakespeare gets a pass from me, but I find it almost impossible to enjoy Roald Dahl’s work knowing that he once said, “There is a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity… Even a stinker like Hitler didn’t just pick on them for no reason.”

Personally speaking, I think the modernists are scattered either side of the borderline. Casual antisemitism was common but the virulence of Ezra Pound’s strain was unusual even back then.

janothar:

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fromchaostocosmos:

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theknightlyrealist:

bairnsidhe:

eshusplayground:

fromchaostocosmos:

i haven’t yet seen black panther, but i have like so many questions in terms of Wakanda Jews.

Like at what point did the isolationism start in Wakanda so like up to where did we were last all on the same page in terms of various sefarim and interpretations of Halachot and Jewish history.

Cause like I can’t imagine if I found out for the first time about the Holocaust so like imagine Jews from Wakanda finding out for the first time.

But also imagine them finding out that for the we are also by the millions back in our homeland and able to freely live and visit there for the first time since the destruction of the Second Temple.

Also imagine all the sefarim and minhagim that Wakanda Jews have written and come up with that the rest of the Jewish population don’t know about.

Like I would love to know Wakanda Jews traditions.

Like think of all the new Zemirot and tunes to be learnt.

And like just like there is Ladino, Judeo-Arabic, and Yiddish there must be must versions mixing the various languages spoken by the people of Wakanda with Hebrew.

Also like what do their decorations look like for their Sukkot, and like how to they design their kippot, ketubahs, menorahs, shuls, mikvahs, mezuzah covers, haggadahs, and more.

What do their wedding look like and what traditions do they do.

Like I’m just brimming with questions as to what Jewish life is like in Wakanda and what the Jews there have learnt.

Because think of all the Halacha questions that needed to be answered because they have such advanced technology and with new technology comes a million and one Halacha questions.

Like one of the really cool things about Jews is that no matter where in the world and when in time there are some things that just are always the same there is still just so much history and culture and traditions and philosophy and food to be shared 

I can’t help but think that in this universe where Wakanda exists for Jews it must be a really exciting time.

I imagine that the Wakandan Jewish community would be very old, especially considering that Wakanda was untouched by Arabic and European expansion into Africa.

Well, in the comics, Wakanda did know about the Holocaust, and King T’Chaka (although this is from the 60′s version where T’challa becomes BP about when Tony gets his ass blasted in Vietnam, so in MCU it’d be T’Chaka’s dad) gave Howard Stark the vibranium to make Steve’s shield.

Like, they were still isolationists who protected themselves by giving an ignorant goat-herder impression to outsiders.  They NEEDED to be underestimated if they were going to keep the war off their doorstep.

But T’Chaka flies himself, in the dead of night, to Howard Stark, a man who would know exactly what kind of high-tech rig would be needed to mine, refine, and use this metal, and says “That guy who punches Hitler in the face.  He needs a better shield.”

T’Chaka risked exposure, risked his country going into a terrible war, JUST to give Steve a shield.

A shield with a star in the center.

Fuck, man, Wakanda’s Jews were already on that ball.

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But also, VIBRANIUM MEZUZAH,  I’m here for that!

Considering that M’Baku’s tribe has Hindu elements, with Hanuman, I wouldn’t be surprised by there being Jewish Wakandans. I wonder when they may have arrived though, the Roman diasporia? Wakanda seems like they closed themselves off before then, though.

Given that: 1) Bast the panther goddess sounds like it’s linked to the Egyptian deity Bastet, 2) Wakanda is (currently) located near South Sudan, Uganda, Kenya and Ethiopia, and 3) there are established Jewish communities in at least two of those four countries, a connection between Wakanda and the Jewish people could potentially go as far back as King Solomon or the Exodus.

but isn’t hiduism only 500 years old so how would that work if Wakanda closed off before then

Hinduism is much older than that.

@fromchaostocosmos, the Rig Veda is in the 3500 period, putting it contemporary with the earliest estimates of the oldest books of the Tanakh.  Arguably this makes Hinduism older than Judaism.