like i’m sorry but getting offended by someone just speaking against homophobia is homophobic. i really don’t care what weird insular very online politics led you to believe that it must be some kind of evil coded message and not a legitimate complaint. the fact that you LET those politics ECLIPSE the reality of homophobia in your mind, such that you couldn’t imagine a legitimate target for anti-homophobic speech, is itself homophobic.
The way the media has been treating Ryan Reynolds and Josh Brolin’s dynamic during the Deadpool 2 promotion tour is giving me an insight into how all these homophobic fanboys can look past how blatantly queer the film is:
They think it’s all a fucking joke.
Josh Brolin has said repeatedly that he’s had a crush on Ryan Reynolds for a long time. That he admires him, that he finds him attractive, that his feelings for Ryan are complicated and unrequited but real.
And yet all I’m seeing are articles and youtube compilations about Josh’s “hilarious” “man crush” and how “funny” it is every time Josh talks about Ryan or they interact.
And I would suspect it was intentionally meant to be part joking and part queerbaiting for the purpose of fanning the movie’s hype except that:
Josh is out there correcting people who call it a bromance – saying “It’s a real romance”.
He’s having to tell people that “It’s not a joke”.
He’s calling interviewers out for laughing.
He’s saying that the only reason he feels weird admitting it is because people are treating his crush as funny.
And this audience attitude is the same one that allows Deadpool to come onto Colossus with the exact same context and tone he came onto Vanessa in the first film, and still lets straight fuckboys think it’s a joke.
It’s why Cable and Deadpool can explicitly flirt, and even have Cable do something as hugely self-sacrificing and romantic for the other man as he does, but there will still be people hypothesising that their strong connection is because Cable’s wife is Deadpool’s daughter or something.
At first I was annoyed that the film was too chicken to end with the two characters getting together, even though (without spoiling it for you) it wouldn’t have felt quite right for the plot so soon.
But now I’m suspecting that even if we’d had a passionate, candle-lit sex scene between Cable and Deadpool, these douchebags would still think it was some hilarious joke.
The franchise can capitalise on that homophobia to get more queerness into the movies, and to be honest it probably already has.
But I’m doubtful that they can do anything that’ll get through the thick skulls of these fuckboy-fanboys.
I haven’t seen the movie just yet, and i don’t doubt what you’re saying! H o w e v e r, I’d really like some sources or at least a point in the direction to find those specific interviews with Josh Brolin!
Sure! There’s so many interview videos out there right now, some with only a couple hundred views, and I wish I’d bookmarked all the relevant ones for now but alas I didn’t. Here are a few which hopefully get my point across, but there’s more like it:
Josh: I mean he’s tall, he’s ha- … Why am I talking about Ryan Reynolds so much? Jimmy: You have a man crush on Ryan Reynolds? Josh: I do! I don’t- [Jimmy laughs] Josh: I feel weird admitting it in front of you because you’re laughing at me right now, but I feel… I feel confidence in my- [Josh gets awkward and hides behind a magazine]
Will Njobvu: Now, I’m seeing this bromance blossoming between you and Ryan Reynolds, even a bit on screen, and- Josh: I think it’s more of a romance. Will: A romance? Josh: Like, a real romance. Will: Really!? Josh: I like him, man. What’s not to like? I like not liking him. It’s a lot of fun to have friction and tension between Ryan Reynolds and myself. Y’know, we can talk about the characters, and the Deadpool and Cable thing, but it has nothing to do with that; it’s him and me.
I feel like if I were to wear a shirt that said “this shirt is printed with the blood of gay men” on it people would assume I was a homophobe and feel uncomfortable around me, especially if I was wearing a jacket or a backpack and so they couldn’t see the back of it.
don’t @ me but these posts about how scary and gross gay men’s sexuality is and how kids will like instantly turn to stone if they catch a brief glimpse of a leather harness which they don’t even know what it is, are boring tbh. this squeamishness about gay culture is old and tired and boring. i’ll pass
IN THE 13th and 14th centuries two celebrated male poets wrote about men in affectionate, even amorous, terms. They were Rumi and Hafiz, and both lived in what is now Iran. Their musings were neither new nor unusual. Centuries earlier Abu Nuwas, a bawdy poet from Baghdad, wrote lewd verses about same-sex desire. Such relative openness towards homosexual love used to be widespread in the Middle East. Khaled El-Rouayheb, an academic at Harvard University, explains that though sodomy was deemed a major sin by Muslim courts of law, other homosexual acts such as passionate kissing, fondling or lesbian sex were not. Homoerotic poetry was widely considered part of a “refined sensibility”, he says.
The modern Middle East views the subject very differently. A survey by Pew Research Centre in 2013 found that most people in the region believe homosexuality should be rejected: 97% in Jordan, 95% in Egypt and 80% in Lebanon. In 2007 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, then the president of Iran, told a crowd of incredulous students at Columbia University in New York that “in Iran we don’t have homosexuals”. In 2001 the Egyptian Ministry of Culture burnt 6,000 volumes of Abu Nuwas’s poetry. What happened?
The change can be traced to two factors. The first is the influence, directly or indirectly, of European powers in the region. In 1885 the British government introduced new penal codes that punished all homosexual behaviour. Of the more than 70 countries that criminalise homosexual acts today, over half are former British colonies. France introduced similar laws around the same time. After independence, only Jordan and Bahrain did away with such penalties. Combined with conservative interpretations of sharia law in local courts, this has made life tough for homosexuals. In some countries, such as Egypt, where homosexuality is not an explicit offence, vaguely worded “morality” laws are nevertheless widely used to persecute those who are accused of “promoting sexual deviancy” and the like.
Second, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in the 1980s coincided with that of the gay-rights movement in America and Europe, hardening cultural differences. Once homosexuality had become associated with the West, politicians were able to manipulate anti-LGBT feelings for their personal gain. Last year Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, an Islamist political group based in Lebanon, accused the West of exporting homosexuality to the Islamic world, echoing Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei’s warning a year before of “ravaging moral decay” from the West.
Increasingly conservative attitudes in the region have made matters worse. Since President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi’s regime came to power in Egypt in 2014, arrests of gay, lesbian and transgender people have risen fivefold in an apparent bid to stave off conservative critics. Homosexuality was made a capital offence in Iran after the Islamic revolution of 1979. Though executions for consensual same-sex activity are difficult to track, several gay men have been hanged on questionable grounds there, such as being accused of rape and not being given a fair trial, as recently as 2016. In Iraq, where same-sex activity is technically legal, the breakdown of order since 2003 has allowed Islamist militias and vigilantes to impose their own idea of justice. Groups such as Islamic State have become notorious for gruesomely murdering people suspected of being gay by throwing them off buildings and stoning them to death.
What could be done to improve matters? Some local activists say that campaigning for same-sex marriage and the like, as their counterparts in the West have done, is not helpful. Khalid Abdel-Hadi, the founder of My.Kali, a Jordanian gay-and-lesbian online magazine, says: “Our priority is not marriage…Our families see the stereotypical images of marriages and parades in the West and ask us ‘Is this what you want?’ ” Western-style activism may indeed attract dangerous attention: in May, Pride celebrations in Beirut were shut down and its organiser briefly arrested.
Yet grassroots campaigns and pressure from Western institutions do seem to have an effect. In Lebanon, between 2007 and 2017 four judges refused to criminalise homosexuality on the ground that the constitution, which punishes “unnatural sex” with up to one year in prison, does not apply to consensual same-sex relations. In 2014 Iraq accepted a United Nations recommendation to clamp down on discrimination, including on the ground of sexual orientation. Elsewhere campaigners have succeeded in getting the media to use the term mithli (homosexual) rather than “faggot” or “pervert”. And in all countries the internet, though heavily censored, provides people with an opportunity to find each other and talk about these issues. Ahwaa, a platform for LGBT people from Bahrain, boasts over 10,000 users. As more and more people communicate in this way, change will come.
Reblog and have a Happy Hitler Is Dead but My Queer Jewish Mixed Race Ass Is Alive Day
For the people who don’t speak German: lord-kitschener said “Die angry then”
queer jewish people, Judaism does not believe in jesus therefore the religion would not allow the ‘abomination’ of being homosexual because it is in their long list of many things one is not allowed to do.
Note that the bible also lists eating unclean beasts as an abomination as well.
Please explain more about this “bible,” the “abominations” we are not allowed to do, and what believing or not believing in Jesus has to do with ANYTHING.
Jewish people do not believe in christ, they must in turn follow rules which god has set in order to get into heaven because they cannot receive salvation in Jesus christ, i understand, Judaism and being Jewish are two different things. And, im trying to be friendly here, i understand, but i’m not christian nor am i apart of judaism, but i study these religions out of respect to those who’s lives are poured into them.
Look im not in the mood to get in a heated angry argument because as i’ve said im attempting to be civil and kind and enjoy life. Im just saying it’s a contradiction to say Queer Jew because Judaism litteraly has a rule against anything other than Heterosexuality.
There is, in no way hostility here, just a calm and placid statement of facts i’ve learn, if i have misinformation, please just tell me, don’t be a hostile, sarcastic jerk about it just because you came into my post expecting me to be ignorant and unwilling to learn because that right there is stereotyping and its wrong. You need to be civil, if you respond to THIS with hostility, i will ignore you, and i will not care if you go to your followers and try to make me look like a dumb shit because i don’t care about some random strangers rudeness.
I will try not to respond with any hostility, but I want you to realize that you were the who claimed that our religion and way of life is fundamentally incompatible with being LGBTQ. And then you explained Judaism incorrectly and with false authority, later described as a “claim and placid statement of facts.” How is that being respectful, as you claim to be, to “those who’s [sic] lives are poured into them”? If you think you are being civil and not rude as you have ordered me to be, I’m not sure what to tell you.
Here you go:
There is no one way to practice Judaism. We are a diasporic people who have had to adapt to different cultures and societies for at least 2000 years. Saying that Judaism has an absolute and self-contained rule or mitzvot against or for anything shows one is coming at it from a narrow and uneducated view (this goes for anyone Jewish or gentile).
You’re explaining what Judaism is by the rules and theology of a different religion, namely Christianity. What does believing whether Jesus was or was not the messiah have to do with Judaism? Judaism doesn’t have a concept of salvation, because we don’t believe in original sin. Original sin is a Christian belief, not a religious belief. We don’t need to be saved, either by Jesus or by following our rules.
In Judaism, there’s no inherent evil or eternal damnation. We all have yetzer hara and yetzer hatov; an evil inclination and a good inclination. Both are necessary and natural. Because we have free will, we freely choose between both of them. Nothing compels or tempts us to make a choice, we choose freely. You may not be a Christian, but you’re looking at Judaism through a Christian normative lens. That is displaying ignorance about Judaism.
By the “rules which god has set to get into heaven” do you mean Halacha? Because that’s not what Halacha is. Judaism doesn’t have a set concept of heaven. Halacha, similar to sharia in Islam, is the religious law of how a Jewish person is supposed to behave throughout life. It’s made up of mitzvot or commandments, which we are obligated to follow. Different movements and different communities have different interpretations of Halacha, along with different minhagim or community customs. Even within different movements and communities, there is a diversity of interpretations. We are expected to wrestle and argue about it; we are B’nei Yisrael, or the children of Israel where “Israel” is one who struggles with G-D.
Not obeying a commandment does not mean you are damned to hell or have “sinned.” As I said above, Judaism doesn’t have a concept of eternal damnation. It’s expected that people will make mistakes or errors because no one is perfect. Being imperfect is the natural state of humanity. In Hebrew, the word for an unintentional sin is cheit meaning to miss the mark or stumble (off the path of Halacha). Everyone can do teshuvah by making amends, learning from your actions, and returning to the path of fulfilling our obligations and following Halacha. It involves, amonst other things, correcting the mistake to the best of your ability and to learn from the mistake.
“Abomination” is a bad translation of the Hebrew word toevah.
“The remaining philological problem is the word toevah, usually
translated as “abomination.” The word in the Hebrew Bible is used
in different contexts to mean different things. It appears first in
Genesis when Joseph invites his brothers to dine with him, and we
are told that the Egyptians do not eat with Hebrews because doing
so is hateful (toevah) to them. It is clear from this context that the
idea of toevah is not unique to Hebrews. Every people has its own list
of things that it finds contaminating or distasteful.”
– Wrestling With God and Men: Homosexuality in the Jewish Tradition, Rabbi Steven Greenberg (Rabbi Steven Greenberg is a gay Jewish Modern Orthodox Rabbi.)
And distasteful and contaminating don’t have negative meaning in this explanation. It’s more of a “we do things this way and they do things that way” without putting a value judgment upon it.
The fact that treyf food (non-kosher) is also referred to as toevah points to the word meaning different things in different contexts.
Specifically, the mitzvah you’re referring to prohibits the action of a cis man sexually penetrating another cis man anally. It’s not a prohibition against “anything other than Heterosexuality.” Neither any other sexual act is specifically prohibited nor any sexual act between two (cis) women. One of Rabbi Greenberg’s theories, stemming from the fact that only this specific sexual act is prohibited, is that the reason it was made into an explicit prohibition was because it was avodah zara or pagan idolatrous ritual. The theory is that the intent was to prevent Jews from “copying the gentiles” because that way led to idolatry and therefore unethical behavior. (Idolatory and unethical behavior are linked in Judaism.) Another theory Rabbi Greenberg expounds upon is that the prohibition is specifically against penetrating a (cis) man to humiliate him because that (the humiliation) is abhorrent. Here toevah is translated to abhorrent. It’s a prohibition against rape.
You don’t have to be Jewish, but don’t tell people who are what their religion and culture does not say about their validity and basic dignity. You’re asking me to be respectful, you should reciprocate. Especially when you’re explaining their religion and the basic precepts thereof completely incorrectly.
If you have any other questions about Judaism, I’ll be happy to try to answer. After a long day, full of trying to remember to follow the mitzvot of saying the brachot (blessings) over my food and not being able to eat a piece of chocolate after my chicken dinner because I observe kashrut and don’t mix dairy and meat, I’m going to sleep.
@jewish-privilege If I understand you correctly, the Jews do not believe in God, in the laws of God (Decalogue), in the Hereafter and in the Justice of God in the Hereafter? Is it correct ? If so, what do they believe?
To be completely honest, and perhaps a little curt, maybe go to Wikipedia or jewfaq.org. You’re asking for information that is readily available and easily found.
Judaism has our G-d (though we also have a long tradition of atheism/agnosticism)
Judaism has 613 mitzvot, as jewish-privilege said. The Ten Commandments (which would really be better translated as the ten sayings, the ten declarations or even the ten things) are not mitzvot in and of themselves, but are generally considered to be categories of mitzvot.
Judaism doesn’t give a fuck about “the Hereafter”. Or at least, nowhere near the scale of fuck that Christianity gives. Who cares what happens after you die? What matters isn’t the hereafter, it’s the here, now. This world is the important one.
Is there Justice of G-d in the Hereafter? Yeah, probably. Is it important or relevant to actual Jewish life? Not particularly.
@purronronner I do not understand what you mean? There would be a God for the Jews and another God (or no God) for the non-Jews? Yet there is only one Universe and therefore one God. And since justice does not exist here below, it must exist in the hereafter. If not, what would the word “justice” mean?
G-d is our god. Whatever you think about other religions, whether other people have other gods or whether G-d is the only god who exists – G-d made a covenant with the Jewish people specifically. We have a deeper relationship with G-d, which comes with about 606 more rules than non-Jews are expected to follow. (Basically, we’re the designated drivers.)
I never said justice doesn’t exist in the hereafter, I said the hereafter isn’t important. Justice is an ideal, one we strive to fulfill in this world. If there isn’t justice here? The answer isn’t to go “oh well, there’ll be justice once you die”. The answer is to make justice here. Tikkun olam – fixing the world – is one of the most important things in Judaism. You have to make the world better, or what’s even the point?
@purronronner When you say that “G-d” is your god, do you mean that “G-d” belongs to the Jews? Does this imply that “G-d” does your will, or that you do the will of “G-d”? If it’s the will of “G-d”, how do you know that will? Do you believe that “G-d” created the Universe and all it contains?
When I said that G-d is our god, I mean what I said already – G-d made a covenant with the Jews, and only with the Jews. We do the will of G-d. We know the will of G-d because it’s written down in the Torah. There’s a story about this:
G-d went to all the peoples of the world and asked each if they would like to make a covenant with G-d. Each people asked: what would we have to do? G-d replied: you would have to follow these 613 rules, where you currently only have to follow 7. Each people asked: and what would we get out of it? G-d replied: …not much, to be honest, you’d just be making your life harder. Most peoples decided: no thanks, not interested. The Jews decided: challenge accepted, let’s do this thing.
(And then, a few hours after they got the rules, they said: hey G-d, do you take constructive criticism?)
Finally – well, I personally am an atheist, so I don’t think G-d (or any god) even exists. But yes, standard Jewish theology is that G-d created the universe.
@purronronner It’s pretty funny. You tell everything about what God has done. And finally you say that God does not exist? And so the world is uncreated? In any case, thank you for your time and your explanations.
Up until that question, you were asking about Jewish theology, not about what *I* believe. Our conversation has been about Jewish theology. The fact that I’m an atheist isn’t relevant to the conversation, except that you asked me what I believed so I gave an honest answer.
“And so the world is uncreated” – obviously not. But I’m not going to get into that, because that wasn’t what we were talking about.
I don’t think it’s worth it to talk to them. They reblog from white supremacists and memes about “Cultural Marxism,” which is a euphemism for Jewish control and usurpation of white culture, amongst other lovely content.
And this is a PRIME example of how approaching Judaism and Jewish law from any viewpoint other than a Jewish one leads fucking nowhere. If you are looking at Jewish teachings, culture, and religion through the lens of Christianity (as this person very clearly is), then nothing will make sense. because Judaism is NOTHING like Christianity. Not in out texts, not in how we interpret our texts, not in how we lead our lives.
listen, i’m not a fan of pda either (it just makes me uncomfortable), but if you’re actually going to complain about pda (specifically GAY pda) at pride, then don’t go to pride. lgbt+ people have fought long and hard for their right to love, and it is no one’s place to tell us that we can’t express that love at the biggest lgbt+ event of the year
The thing is–people aren’t complaining about just “pda”–I saw the posts exclusionists were referring to. People were complaining about excessive pda, more specific than that, strangers making out/“sucking face” very very very close to them. Most people even said “making out so close that I am a part of the kissing against my will” or some variation on that.
No one is saying “NO PDA AT PRIDE!!” people are saying “Just respect my personal boundaries”. Every single person was encouraging PDA, but qualifying it by saying “keep it respectable for a public event”.
I cannot stress enough the fact that literally no one was saying “no PDA at pride”–let alone complaining “specifically about gay pda”. They were complaining about uncomfortable amounts of PDA at pride, specifically “sucking face on top of me” and not a single person said or even implied that only gay pda made them uncomfortable.
We can’t buy into their disingenuous bullshit guys. Exclusionists are intentionally misconstruing what people are saying to get an emotional response from you. It shouldn’t be working.
Or we can make Pride the one event in the year in which LGBTQIA+ people don’t have to suppress ourselves or conform to respectability politics?
There’s people telling us we can’t be ourselves every day of the year and yes, that includes sexuality.
There’s been weird shit going on at Pride since before you and I were even born. If you’re uncomfortable with weird shit at Pride then don’t go to Pride. Nobody is demanding that you hand in your LGBTQIA+ card if Pride makes you uncomfortable. I get uncomfortable with some things at Pride myself and I’ve been going since before I was in grade school.
I know you see a distinction between your own POV and the one you’re decrying but there honestly is less of one than you think. To use an analogy, @legsdemandias, suppose an anti were tell you that you should “keep your fic respectful for a public website.” Said anti can argue all day that their meaning of respectful isn’t hurting anyone because they know the boundary between respectful and disrespectful and no decent person would be caught in that boundary. But this isn’t adequately communicated just by the loaded term “respectful” and the anti is still trying to set a boundary that will hurt people that aren’t doing anything wrong besides being different from other people.
Idk why y’all are like this but I’m pretty sure y’all could drown in a puddle of water considering your inability to wrap to understand anything that isn’t meticulously explained word for word and claim that’s the only thing anyone is saying and I seriously can’t help you. Nuance? i don’t know her.
Whatever. It’d be cool if everyone could be welcomed to pride–or at least people would realize that it’s a public event and that it costs zero dollars to consider ur surroundings before doing something and how considering surroundings =/= DON’T DO IT EVER!!! EVIL!! BAD!!!!!!! KISSING IS BAD!!! That’s all people are asking and apparently that’s too fucking hard.
Why not you google image search, “couple at pride” or “leather at pride” or “dykes on bikes” or some other Pride-related terms, see the number of people who are both A) having a lot of fun being themselves and B) having fun in a way that personally doesn’t appeal to you, and just…leave them alone and keep not going to Pride (which you’re already not doing according to your tags)? Right now, you’re hurting a large portion of the community with Bush-era homophobia and people have a right to tell you that they wish you would stop.
listen, i’m not a fan of pda either (it just makes me uncomfortable), but if you’re actually going to complain about pda (specifically GAY pda) at pride, then don’t go to pride. lgbt+ people have fought long and hard for their right to love, and it is no one’s place to tell us that we can’t express that love at the biggest lgbt+ event of the year
The thing is–people aren’t complaining about just “pda”–I saw the posts exclusionists were referring to. People were complaining about excessive pda, more specific than that, strangers making out/“sucking face” very very very close to them. Most people even said “making out so close that I am a part of the kissing against my will” or some variation on that.
No one is saying “NO PDA AT PRIDE!!” people are saying “Just respect my personal boundaries”. Every single person was encouraging PDA, but qualifying it by saying “keep it respectable for a public event”.
I cannot stress enough the fact that literally no one was saying “no PDA at pride”–let alone complaining “specifically about gay pda”. They were complaining about uncomfortable amounts of PDA at pride, specifically “sucking face on top of me” and not a single person said or even implied that only gay pda made them uncomfortable.
We can’t buy into their disingenuous bullshit guys. Exclusionists are intentionally misconstruing what people are saying to get an emotional response from you. It shouldn’t be working.
Or we can make Pride the one event in the year in which LGBTQIA+ people don’t have to suppress ourselves or conform to respectability politics?
There’s people telling us we can’t be ourselves every day of the year and yes, that includes sexuality.
There’s been weird shit going on at Pride since before you and I were even born. If you’re uncomfortable with weird shit at Pride then don’t go to Pride. Nobody is demanding that you hand in your LGBTQIA+ card if Pride makes you uncomfortable. I get uncomfortable with some things at Pride myself and I’ve been going since before I was in grade school.
I know you see a distinction between your own POV and the one you’re decrying but there honestly is less of one than you think. To use an analogy, @legsdemandias, suppose an anti were tell you that you should “keep your fic respectful for a public website.” Said anti can argue all day that their meaning of respectful isn’t hurting anyone because they know the boundary between respectful and disrespectful and no decent person would be caught in that boundary. But this isn’t adequately communicated just by the loaded term “respectful” and the anti is still trying to set a boundary that will hurt people that aren’t doing anything wrong besides being different from other people.
Just because gay marriage is legal in the US doesnt mean that we are safe at Pride. Also, any social justice activism that discounts homophobia and its impact on gay people is bullshit.
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