other leftists don’t want to admit this but one of the biggest barriers to radicalizing women who are liberal feminists is the rampant misogyny that runs unchecked in leftist spaces. not only do some leftists justify sexual violence by using post-structural theory, as well as glorify actual sexually violent male intellectuals, but they also just generally downplay misogyny & transmisogyny, patriarchy, sexual violence/violence against women, and things that women have to prioritize on a day to day basis. class reductionism is especially prevalent in these types of spaces. make fun of liberal feminists as much as you want to, and write those trite think pieces about how modern feminism is dead, but i’m not an idiot, and i know that leftist spaces are not inherently more feminist than other spaces. at least stop moaning and whining about how women who go to liberal feminism to seek some solace are dumb, shallow cunts who need to be Enlightened ™ by a paternalistic male leftist.
I’m not a man and I have no idea what you’re talking about.
That’s too bad because you could’ve kept this useless, worthless comment to yourself, and instead you could’ve made a new post! If you want to worship men so badly you can do that on your own time instead of making me waste mine!
I’m not worshipping men and in fact I hate them. I just don’t get the same vibes you do is all I’m saying. I can see how things would combine to create those spaces, though.
It doesn’t matter what vibes you get lmfao misogyny is still an actual problem in these spaces and for you to say “I don’t get these vibes” is so fucking callous and disrespectful like please exit stage right and stop fucking bothering me with this blatant incompetency
I just didn’t understand the wording I guess. I’m sorry.
“rampant misogyny runs unchecked in leftist spaces” is hard to understand?
So I’ve seen the discourse on here about how slasher movies originated as a violent misogynist reaction to women’s liberation, and I gotta say in the case of one of the first slashers, Halloween, that wasn’t the case. John Carpenter has said he hates the reading of his film as an anti-promiscuity message. It was written in 10 days and filmed in two weeks one a shoestring budget because some producer asked him to make a movie about babysitters being murdered and the plot was just what him and his gf threw together in a short timespan. Carpenter would later make films with deliberate social and political messages, most famously with They Live. and I think that’s kinda interesting, how Johm Carpenter’s inadvertent creation of a work that could be viewed as socially conservative left this huge cultural impact, while his movie about class struggle gets its message muzzled and ignored.
I mean okay but just because you *and your girlfriend* came up with a violently misogynistic plot *quickly* doesn’t mean that it isn’t still violently misogynistic.
I dont think the OP’s point was that it wasnt so much as that Carpenter made other, better things that arent as well known and that is a shame.
“We regularly ask teenage girls to read books in which characters degrade women, expecting them to understand that the book’s other merits outweigh its misogyny. To set such an expectation and not consider its effect on young women is foolish and hypocritical; we rarely expect young men to do the same, and hardy ever expect young white men to read extensively in traditions where their identities aren’t represented or are degraded. We need to reflect on the way the literature we celebrate supports the idea that women who are sexually frustrated create problems for themselves, while men in the same situation create problems for the world. Though the links are subtle, our celebration of a canon of sad white boy literature affects the way we think, and how much tolerance we offer to men like [Alek] Minassian and [Elliot] Rodger.”
So I’ve seen the discourse on here about how slasher movies originated as a violent misogynist reaction to women’s liberation, and I gotta say in the case of one of the first slashers, Halloween, that wasn’t the case. John Carpenter has said he hates the reading of his film as an anti-promiscuity message. It was written in 10 days and filmed in two weeks one a shoestring budget because some producer asked him to make a movie about babysitters being murdered and the plot was just what him and his gf threw together in a short timespan. Carpenter would later make films with deliberate social and political messages, most famously with They Live. and I think that’s kinda interesting, how Johm Carpenter’s inadvertent creation of a work that could be viewed as socially conservative left this huge cultural impact, while his movie about class struggle gets its message muzzled and ignored.
I am pretty annoyed it’s so common for people to tell women to “not let men get a rise out of you” when they purposefully try to annoy you or upset you it’s like Literally never in my life have I heard people tell men to just stop bothering women.
I am so tired of the narrative that constantly being hurt and treated poorly will “make us a stronger woman” in the end. Women are already strong. Especially black women and we shouldn’t have to keep enduring pain to prove that. Give us some grace, mercy, and respect.
The comments on this poet are filled with white nerds being misogynistic lmao, surprise
I know. So many angry white nerds in my inbox after posting this, its hilarious. So here’s some more excellent commentary since the Hardwick story broke:
Annemunition, a variety streamer who plays games like Rainbow Six, PUBG, God of War, and Overwatch, was playing Rainbow Six in her off time last week, away from the sometimes pressurized environment of her Twitch channel. The people she was playing with had no idea who she was, but they knew she was a woman, and that’s all they needed to know. Over the course of several rounds, they laid into her with a series of increasingly vile insults, calling her everything from “gamer girl” to “tranny bitch.” She continued to play like normal, dying in some rounds and clutching others for her team. When she did well, one guy said she stole his kill. When she did poorly, they used that to justify their attacks. “We’re not being like this because we don’t like women,” said one of the men. “We’re being like this because you’re shit, by the way.”
“Are you playing the right video game, miss?” the same man said later. “This isn’t like League Of Legends where you can just flash your titties on stream. It takes skill.”
“I hope you die,” another man said immediately afterward.
Annemunition kept her cool and finished the game. Then she decided to make an example of the people involved. She posted a video of the incident to her Twitter.
“‘Why don’t you use voice chat?’ ‘Why can’t I find a girlfriend who plays video games?’ ‘Why do you mute people who ask you if you’re a girl?’ Gee, I dunno,” she wrote.
The response was huge. As of now, the video has over half a million views and nearly 2,000 comments, some of which share similar online horror stories. Annemunition told Kotaku in an email that she posted the video to make a point. This is hardly the first time this kind of thing has happened to her, she said, and if it’d been during a stream, she would’ve just muted them. Since she was on her own, though, she decided to see how the situation would play out if she did nothing except make useful comments and help her team.
“As you saw in the video, that’s all it took for them to devolve into toxicity,” she said. “While I understand everyone, of all genders and backgrounds, can often be the subject of toxicity online, I really feel like people underestimate just how bad it can be for women or people who are recognized as ‘other’ over voice comms.”
She added that streamers often feel a pressure to just roll with the punches when it comes to verbal harassment or other serious issues, but she worries about the kind of example that sets.
“I feel like there are a lot of expectations for streamers not to complain about anything ever and that we should just be positive and ‘good vibes’ only,” she said. “When these types of things happen, I just think about all the young people (boys and girls) who experience this type of abuse online and don’t have the tools to stand up for themselves other than to mute people and pretend everything is fine.”
After Annemunition posted the video, one of the players who’d given her gallons of shit tried to apologize. In a sense. “I am extremely sorry for the way you feel, ” he wrote in a tweet from an account that’s since been deleted. “[K]now that the words I used were meaningless and have no substance.”Annemunition, a popular Twitch streamer with over 300,000 followers, was just trying to be a decent teammate and call shots in Rainbow Six Siege. Then, over voice chat, came the questions: “Are you a man or a female?” And the accusations: “You stole my fucking content. You’re shit at the game. Get out.”
“I appreciate that you want to apologize,” Annemunition wrote back. “But man, you went HARD just because you heard a woman’s voice… You called me a ‘fucking tranny bitch’ and told me to kill myself. Over nothing. All I did was exist.” However, she went on to write that she sincerely hopes the guy learns from this and wants to better himself.
“I don’t necessarily want to crucify people when I feel like there’s the potential for them to walk away from the situation thinking ‘Wow, I messed up. I said something really awful and it came back to bite me. I won’t do that again,’” she told Kotaku, explaining why she chose to respond so kindly to an apology that was dodgy at best. “I wanted him to understand the gravity of his actions and the fact that words can be hurtful and that your actions have consequences.”
In online games, she continued, people can tell others to kill themselves and face no real repercussions—or at least, not the sort of repercussions that’d convince them to cork it for more than a handful of matches. Meanwhile, the people being harassed are encouraged—both by their peers and the way many games’ reporting systems work—to just shrug it off in the moment, no matter how much it’s worming under their skin and writhing around.
“Gamers have learned that they can do these things without blowback because the solution so many people suggest is just to mute them and move on,” Annemunition said.
That’s why she decided to post the video, risking even more harassment from eager-to-pounce internet mobs in the process. If nobody creates consequences for this sort of thing that are immediate and consistent, yet also impactful in a way that’ll encourage them to learn rather than doubling down, nothing will change.
“I’m just sick of sweeping this behavior under the rug and pretending it’s all fine and dandy,” she said. “It’s easy to sweep things under the rug; it’s hard to ask people to be better. Especially when so many people are just resigned to accepting the fact that online gaming and toxicity go hand-in-hand.”
“Maybe that makes me a naive fool,” she added, “but I refuse to accept that we can’t treat each other with a little more kindness.”
You go girl.
Like this is why i feel like making every game multiplayer is antagonistic towards a lot of women gamers who literally don’t have the energy to deal with possible harassment every time they want to play a game
When I was 15 I got harassed by a bunch of guys on multiplayer asking for my nudes and shit just because they heard my voice. Literally only used private voice channels from then on in Teamspeak
Also why do we constantly mock and scold women for being stupid because “dumb bitches aways think they can change a man,” when women are taught from day one that it’s our moral duty to ~fix a man~ and ~stand by your man~ to clean up his messes, both literally and figuratively, and to ignore our own discomfort and second thoughts while we do it.
How can we keep telling girls that you have to kiss the frog to get a prince, then turn around and act shocked and smug that so many women feel trapped with slimy, cold-blooded reptiles
Radfems hate women who aren’t feminine enough, sure they claim to support the breaking of gender roles and gender non-conforming women but only a very, very specific kind.
They’d tell women they shouldn’t shave, that being proud of your body hair is empowering etc, etc, but the moment a very hairy woman doesn’t shave or has a beard and is proud? Oh well, then that means she’s a NASTY MAN with a BIG FAT COCK, and an EVIL TRAN and STINKS!
They operate on a very specific limited world-view that they claim to be against, they hate anyone who breaks gender roles and assume they are trans. Obviously, this comes from their transmisogynist views but that doesn’t change the fact that they are also raging misogynists.
They hate trans women so much they’ll attack cis women that don’t fall into their strict category of what’s an acceptable behaviour for a woman. They just copy-pasted the world-view of any extremely sexist cishet white right-wing conservative man, slapped a new label on it and called it progressive.
Never forget that a TERF’s best friend is a conservative straight white man. Both of them just LOVE hating, harassing and abusing women.
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