“In the spring of 1940, when the Nazis overran France from the north, much of its Jewish population tried to escape the country towards the south. In order to cross the border, they needed visas to Spain and Portugal, and together with a flood of other refugees, tens of thousands of Jews besieged the Portuguese consulate in Bordeaux in a desperate attempt to get that life-saving piece of paper. The Portuguese government forbade its consuls in France to issue visas without prior approval from the Foreign Ministry, but the consul in Bordeaux, Aristides de Sousa Mendes, decided to disregard the order, throwing to the wind a thirty-year diplomatic career. As Nazi tanks were closing in on Bordeaux, Sousa Mendes and his team worked around the clock for ten days and nights, barely stopping to sleep, just issuing visas and stamping pieces of paper. Sousa Mendes issued thousands of visas before collapsing from exhaustion.
The Portuguese government—which had little desire to accept any of these refugees—sent agents to escort the disobedient consul back home, and fired him from the foreign office. Yet officials who cared little for the plight of human beings nevertheless had a deep reverence for documents, and the visas Sousa Mendes issued against orders were respected by French, Spanish and Portuguese bureaucrats alike, spiriting up to 30,000 people out of the Nazi death trap. Sousa Mendes, armed with little more than a rubber stamp, was responsible for the largest rescue operation by a single individual during the Holocaust.”
—Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow by Yuval Noah Harari
Local Man thinks women can only be pretty or smart; gets roasted alive by smart, pretty woman.
SonderKommandos were forced laborers who would burn the bodies in concentration camps if anyone is curious. Most of them also died because the Nazis didnt want people alive who could tell the world the truth about what was happening. The Grey Zone refers to the moral conflict of being complicit in killing others but also being threatened with death yourself if you didnt comply. It comes from scientist and Holocaust survivor Primo Levi.
just a reminder that if you are a neo-Nazi, you can not so kindly get off my page and unfollow me. These people not only believed in killing Jewish people and gay people, but they sent disabled people down into gas chambers to be killed too. So get off my page if you don’t respect the Jewish, gay people and the disabled
*Shrugs* kind of? We still haven’t had anything like the crisis WWI was. Americans can’t comprehend what it would be like to have millions of their sons die in a pointless war that they lost. And then follow that with an unfathomable economic quagmire. We would need some kind of collective national trauma to plant the seeds of a widespread fascist community that bases it’s idea of national rebirth on racial purity.
What we have now is a realization that the personalities that made up the third riech can totally exist in America. Thankfully there is no national trauma for them to exploit, we have a 241 year history of a successful democratic republic, and the media/free speech apparatus makes it easier to coordinate resistance to these pigs.
Those are good points, but I think it depends on what you take this tweet to mean. I don’t take it to mean that the circumstances are the same. I take it to mean something more like:
Don’t forget that the Nazis didn’t wake up one day and convince everyone Jews (and gays and Roma and and and) dying was a good thing. They dehumanized the groups they hated in stages, and rounding them up was actually not the first stage.
So I take the tweet to mean “dont think to yourself ‘we’re taking our first baby steps into fascism.’ We may indeed not be there yet, but by the time we’ve gotten to ‘rounding up innocent kids for the supposed crimes of their parents, who the government openly calls an “infestation,” and having a favored news outlet that defends this as “summer camp,”’ we’re not on the edge of a metamorphosis, were straight up in the middle of one.”
Well, yes I’d agree with that. But the grounds for a holocaust existed in Europe (and America) for decades prior to the Nazis. What happened in Germany could’ve happened anywhere under the right conditions. If just having dehumanizing sentiments means that “we’re already several steps along the way” then, sure. But we’ve been “several steps along the way” for well over a hundred years now.
I agree that this is a wake-up call that “it can happen here,” but I don’t think we’re necessarily in danger of a government sponsored genocide. It is frightening to see how easy a group of radicals at the top, coupled with apathy from the conservative elites, can do something this monstrous. However…
I think the response and backlash to this has been very encouraging. I wholeheartedly believe in cultivating a strong moral base that will draw attention to and resist these kinds of actions. We should be ready, in case we do experience a national crisis, to defend human rights. I get the idea behind the tweet, but I would still say that we’re fortunately in a far better situation to fight back against this kind of dehumanizing state policy then Germany ever was.
That’s fair. I think we’re actually saying similar things from different perspectives and agree on a good bit.
My concern is more that… the way that i usually hear the history discussed, people don’t really realize that everyone wasn’t instantly taken in by Hitlers speeches. It’s often discussed as if everyone privileged enough not to be targeted was bewitched.
And… that’s not what I gather really happened. He did bewitch crowds, but they weren’t everybody. The Nazis did not win fair elections by landslides.
Which means it’s not the sort of thing where resistance just sort of melts somehow, it’s a process over time where resistance is made to disappear.
And while I don’t think we’re seeing that now, I think it’s very important not to assume “loud resistance exists” equals “they’d never go further.”
They absolutely will, so we need to understand how serious what we’re seeing is.
One way things are different now that I think the author of that tweet is alluding to compared to how things were before is that it wasn’t just dehumanization coming from the public at large but also from people in power. Like sure in the 2000’s there were racist White kids at my high school running around saying racist things against Latino kids but it wasn’t coming from Bush and his administration. Bush won the 2004 election because he was popular among conservative Latino voters.
You mean when you frame Space Nazis in your movies as cool and relatable you get a fan base full of people who harass minorities?
have you ever watched star wars in your life?
also blaming movies for the behavior of racists is ridiculous af.
The writer and director of The Last Jedi has said publicly that he thinks everyone can relate to his favorite Space Nazi (specifically being able to relate to being an angry and tumultuous young man?) but go off, I guess.
protip, @celeritaschronicles: the shitty racist fanboys don’t identify with Kylo Ren, they identify with Luke. they don’t see themselves as glamorous and tragic villains, they see themselves as beleaguered heroes fighting against an evil multicultural empire. They literally think that progressiveness and tolerance is the evil empire, and that they’re the rebels. They identify us SJWs as the evil space Nazis. If you seriously think that these blowhards see themselves as Kylo Ren with his doe eyes and windswept hair, you clearly don’t understand a single thing about how these people think. Go on their message boards. Read their posts. They do not think they’re the space Nazis.
Rian Johnson enjoying the craft of being a writer (yes, we writers enjoy writing villains, a good villain is a LOT of fun to write, that’s just facts) has not one goddamn thing to do with the shitty-ass fanboys who grew up thinking they were Luke (and who are sadly mistaken).
Stop victim blaming the creators and blame the deluded racists.
@bai-xue there were reactionary boycotts of Rogue One and TLJ because they hated that the rebellion was full of women/POC and thought the empire should’ve been the good guys.
@celeritaschronicles authors find writing their villains fun. That’s not unusual
Son: Who are the bad guys in this movie? Husband: The Nazis. [pause for a beat] Again. Except not in space this time. Me: Yes, Nazis, take note: whether you’re on land or in space, either way Harrison Ford is coming to foil your plans.
its super disappointing, taika could’ve chosen anything as his follow up project to ragnarok after the way that movie was received he literally could’ve had anything greenlit and this is what he does? I’m sorry but I just can’t, like I can’t get past making hitler a funny sidekick let alone be played by a jewish man of color like what was the train of thought here? like I said it screams irresponsible filmmaking at least w “the death of stalin” even tho it was satire it was p fckn dark no one was redeemed or presented in a good light and all the atrocities they committed were as cruel on screen as they were irl, like I’m just at loss of words here
and I think all these nazi films its bec of all the neo nazis on the news like a “comeback” jesus.. u kno how oportunistic hollywood can be and they can market these movies like “Why X Movie Is Important In The Age Of Trump”
I mean, Jewish people have been making satire in regards to Hitler for a long time, and he has been working on this script for years. You don’t have to watch or enjoy the film, but the attitude of “this Jewish man could know better” is really condescending.
WWII Films never went away, they’re a constant, irritating drone in the background for anyone paying attention.
I love how non-Jewish people are telling Jews that they’re relating to the Holocaust and Second World War wrong.
This group would be saying that The Producers was garbage, fuck ‘em.
Taika has outright stated that, as a Polynesian Jewish man, he is making this film as 1) satire and 2) purposfully as a big ol fuck you to Hitler, because what better way to insult him than by having him portrayed by a Polynesian Jew?
Like if goyim could stop freaking out over Jewish satire and portrayals of Hitler and how we handle our own history and START freaking out about the actual, real life fucking Nazis that we got running around right now, that would be nice.
Wait until anon hears about a little movie called The Great Dictator
People: there are active Neo Nazi movements in Europe, you can’t be acting like Europe is the centre of enlightenment when bananas get thrown on Italy’s first black politician
Europeans: No country is perfect :^) (but we’re as close to perfect as you’ll get)
Man, if Elder Scrolls 6 is gonna be set in Hammerfell, we’re gonna have dumbasses screaming about forced diversity in the place that black people are known to primarily inhabit
Red guards: *exist*
That one guy who only plays a Stormcloak:
A Hammerfell game would be a perfect storm of anti-blackness, racism, and Islamophobia all in one. That wouldn’t be fun.
But then again, it could also be the Black Panther of video games. An entire nation of black people, beating back a bunch of nazi-coded elves? Yes please.
Not to mention Hammerfell has some of the BEST lore in Elder Scrolls. I’d fucking die if the protag was a new reincarnation of the Hoon-Ding.
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